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Post by eduquesne on Mar 5, 2010 5:38:39 GMT -5
And as I'm with friends I don't mind asking - but why is there so much vitriol aimed at Emmy all the time? I could never understand, with the now defunt Emmy site, how people could spend so much time there purely to bag her!? I've been around the net for many, many years, in quite a few different fandoms, and I've honestly never seen anything like it. And I've been in plenty of 'rougher/tougher' fandoms than this one! lol! It just makes no sense to me in any way. I mean, a) what's not to like? and b) why spend so much time/energy on somebody you don't even like?? I never have enough hours in the day for all the things I want/need/would love to do and just cannot imagine devoting so much time to something I profess not to even care for! I've always found it really odd, so I thought I'd throw the question out there for discussion.  |
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Post by idolette on Mar 5, 2010 12:41:51 GMT -5
You raise a very, very good question. And to be honest, I don't know the answer. I know there are people who will say, "in school, she was nasty," and base their hatred off of her from rumors and speculation, or accounts of people who claim to have gone to school with her. Then there are people who don't know anything about her, but get a "vibe" from her (which I don't understand) or misinterpret something she says or does and turn it around to make her seem like a bad person. To me, it always seems like people dislike her because they don't bother getting to know anything about her.
For example, on the livejournal community "ohnotheydidnt" almost every post regarding Emmy will have 50+ comments about how people can't stand her, or don't like her for one reason or another. When someone posts something like "why do people dislike her?" a link will inevitably go up to a Japanese interview that Emmy did when she was 16 or so years-old promoting Phantom of the Opera. And while she can come across as a little full of herself in it, or a little on the snobby side, what people DON'T take into consideration is the fact that they are basing dislike of a now twenty-three year-old woman on the portrayal of a teenager!
Now, as far as some of the things that happened on Emmy Rossum Fan in regards to fans disliking her... that I will never understand. It seems to me, like you said, that there aren't enough hours of the day to focus on the things that you like. Why, then, you would take time out of your day to visit a site dedicated to an actress only to put her down...? I'll never understand it, either. There were some people who would claim it was because she had changed too much (but again, it could be argued that everyone changes from teen years to twenty-three!) or that they were upset that she kept her marriage hidden. A theory I've (and many others, I'm sure) always had is that people expected Christine Daae. They wanted little Emmy, the girl who first started out in the business. And Emmy didn't want that, who would want to stay the same their entire life? So she did racier photoshoots, took on an edgier movie (Dare, not Dragonball, lol!) and dropped the f-bomb a few times, and yeah, she lost fans because of it, but she also grew up in a lot of people's eyes.
The bottom line is, I'm with you. I'll never understand the hatred, because why bother hating someone? Especially when it's Emmy - we may follow her career, but we're never going to actually KNOW her. I don't know about any of you, but I don't plan on hating people I don't know, and I wouldn't waste my energy dedicating time to someone I claim that I can't stand.
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Post by lostgirl on Mar 5, 2010 19:16:47 GMT -5
For example, on the livejournal community "ohnotheydidnt" almost every post regarding Emmy will have 50+ comments about how people can't stand her, or don't like her for one reason or another. When someone posts something like "why do people dislike her?" a link will inevitably go up to a Japanese interview that Emmy did when she was 16 or so years-old promoting Phantom of the Opera. And while she can come across as a little full of herself in it, or a little on the snobby side, what people DON'T take into consideration is the fact that they are basing dislike of a now twenty-three year-old woman on the portrayal of a teenager! That always gets to me because it's an interview given seven years ago with a langauge barrier between the interviewer and that subjects. I'm sure I've said some things as a teenager that I'd cringe to hear now. Heck most teenagers are snobby and pretentious. It's part of the job description! Not that I think anything she said or did in that five minute interview was so terrible. But even if it were, it's no indication of who she was a human being back then and even less of an indication of who she is now. A theory I've (and many others, I'm sure) always had is that people expected Christine Daae. They wanted little Emmy, the girl who first started out in the business. And Emmy didn't want that, who would want to stay the same their entire life? So she did racier photoshoots, took on an edgier movie (Dare, not Dragonball, lol!) and dropped the f-bomb a few times, and yeah, she lost fans because of it, but she also grew up in a lot of people's eyes Perhaps. But I think as a teenager she sometimes came off awkwardly in interviews. I think she wanted to live up to that perception of her of elegant and classy at all times and that she sometimes came off as cold and arrogant because of that. I think as she grew up she became more confident in herself and was able to start being a little more relaxed in her public persona. That said she still seems like much the same person to me. I'd never say that everyone has to like her or follow her career or think she's talented. To each their own after all. I just don't really see what's worthy of hatred. It's not like she's one of those celebs who is everywhere on every talkshow and magazine cover and is unavoidable. |
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Post by idolette on Mar 5, 2010 21:13:06 GMT -5
Totally agree with the above, and especially the last thing that you said. Emmy's not in the public eye a lot. She used to attend a lot of events, sure, but look. It's March, and we've barely seen anything of her. And yet she still gets a lot of haters, and it's never made sense to me. She's not like Paris or the Jersey Shore cast (in the sense of they are EVERYWHERE and no one really likes them) but she has a lot of people disliking her.
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Post by eduquesne on Mar 6, 2010 9:13:56 GMT -5
Yep, gotta agree with a lot of what you have both written. Thanks for making a few things clearer. I tend to think that a lot of the haters are simply nothing more than jealous. She is extremely talented for her age. She's beautiful, accomplished, obviously comes from money and is very confident and sure of herself and I think a lot of people just can't deal with that. I'm considerably older than she is and I'm in *awe* of her poise and confidence. But I think I see it from a totally different point of view than 'them'. And I think 'child stars' are judged so much more harshly than those that we come to love in the public eye who are an older age when we do, if you know what I mean? I mean - why can't she make mistakes (and who are we to judge them as so anyway!) when she has gone from 15 - 21+ in front of our eyes? Who *doesn't'* make (possibly) some bad judgements when they are teenagers? Not that I think she has in any way - but who are they to judge that anyway? I know when I was a teenager I made some incredibly bad decisions, but then I was young and that is NOT the person I am today (btw am I the oldest person in this forum? lol!). What I don't understand is why she isn't given the same sort of leeway as perhaps Kristen Dunst or even - on the other end of the scale - Lindsay Lohan? Why do people react SO badly when she hasn't made super-sucessful movies or hasn't released her next album when *they* want her to, etc etc... I'm not sure what I think of her marriage. I think, personally, that might have a lot to do with her father leaving when she was young, and not being a part of her life. But when it comes down to it - with these pathetic people, she was damned when she did, and damned when she didn't - and nothing she can do is right for them. None of us knows what really happened. I got married at 23 and I'm lucky - with a lot of hard work and children to bind us, I'm still married to the same man, but there are MANY out there who don't last the distance through no fault of their own. They were simply married too young and changed too much along the way. I'm not sure what I think of this new guy (in my ideal world she'd be with Gerry Butler, but that's a whole nuther fantasy! lol!), but I married a long-haired muso myself, so I can see the attraction. I just don't get the 'this star didn't do what I wanted her to do so now I hate her' rubbish. And if they base that off one interview she did when she was how young? What crap! I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous!! Who knows what happened to her that day, how tired she was, what the language barrier was, what pressures she was under, if she was homesick, missing her mum, missing her boyfriend, hadn't had any sleep - whatever! So she's not allowed a bad day? Give the girl a break I say! LOL! She's awesome.  |
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Post by lostgirl on Mar 6, 2010 12:40:06 GMT -5
I don't think it's necessarily envy. I mean maybe for some people it is, but really I think people dislike others for various reasons. Talent is often at least partially subjective. Some person might think she had lots and another might disagree. That's fine. Sometimes a performer will just rub you the wrong way for no real reason. I mean that sometimes happens to me. But if that's the case why try to justify it with rumors and speculation and a five minute interview given years ago?
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Post by idolette on Mar 6, 2010 13:44:43 GMT -5
Sometimes a performer will just rub you the wrong way for no real reason. I mean that sometimes happens to me. But if that's the case why try to justify it with rumors and speculation and a five minute interview given years ago? Exactly. There are many celebrities that rub me the wrong way, or I am just not that fond of. But I wouldn't say that I "hate" them, as some people claim, because I don't actually know that person. If I don't like a certain celebrity, or I'm not interested in them, I just steer clear of them completely. I've never understood why people can't just let Emmy fans be Emmy fans (and same could be said for any actor/actress/singer, really) and not try to bring them or Emmy down. If you don't like the girl and feel you need to state your reasons why, okay, but at least make sure that your reasoning isn't "look how she acted five plus years ago in this interview that was in another country." She's grown up a lot since Phantom! |
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Post by kati on Mar 7, 2010 16:55:59 GMT -5
I must admit that I know a lot of people who dislike her. Most people I know do (I mean, I think most people I know don't really know who she is, but of those who I know the majority seems to dislike her). And, well what I'm trying to say is that, those people who do dislike her are not necessarily "bad" people, you know what I mean?
Regarding ohnotheydidn't I think we shouldn't take that so serious. I mean, it certainly can be quite cruel what the people say, but I think mostly people don't think so much about what they say there if you know what I mean. And while the interview is posted mostly, I don't think this interview alone is the reason for all of them to dislike her either. I think it's kind of a joke there to put the interview up. Some kind of running gag almost if you like.
I must admit I'm not sure if jealousy seems to play a big part in the dislike for Emmy. The way I see many haters speak of her I just don't get that feeling. And, to be totally honest, at the moment I think there is not that much to be jealous of. Don't get me wrong please! I just think at the moment Emmy is not that much on the radar and there are a lot of other people who are very successful right now who would, so to say, be rather "worth" being jealous of. I'm sorry that sounds probably quite terrible and mean.
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Post by idolette on Mar 8, 2010 14:17:39 GMT -5
IDon't get me wrong please! I just think at the moment Emmy is not that much on the radar and there are a lot of other people who are very successful right now who would, so to say, be rather "worth" being jealous of. That's quite my reasoning for why a lot of people's dislike/hatred of her doesn't seem to be very justified. She's not all over the place, for the most part she flies under the radar, and she keeps to herself. The people who claim they hate her, do they know her? I feel like people don't bother to learn anything about a celebrity, or who they actually ARE as a person (and we may never know, truly) before looking at a few pictures, old videos, a movie, and saying "well, I can't stand her." Also, I know what you mean about ohnotheydidnt.  And while it may be a running gag, it doesn't do any good, because people will watch that video and take it as "well, Emmy's a bitch," and that's that. When someone asks about Emmy, and that's all that's given... it doesn't look good. And the sad thing is, as much of a joke as it is, I do think some people base their dislike on how she was back then, at a very young age when she was still coming into herself, as compared to how she is now. She's changed, I think. We all do, as we grow. Out of curiosity, Kati, the people that you know of who don't like Emmy, what are there reasons for disliking her if they gave any? |
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Post by eduquesne on Mar 13, 2010 2:07:21 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know their reasoning too. Sorry I dropped off the radar from this discussion this week, been struck down with a very annoying cold. :/ What is 'ohnotheydidn't' and which is the interview people keep pointing out? Does anyone have a link to either? It's probably an interview I've already got, but I'd like to know which one it is, all the same. >I've never understood why people can't just let Emmy fans be Emmy fans (and same could >be said for any actor/actress/singer, really) and not try to bring them or Emmy down. Amen! This is the bit I simply do not understand. Because it seems like it's *constant*, with no let up. And what is the point? Do they think they'll 'turn fans against her'? And if so - for what reason? So they can feel justified in their opinion? To me it's just bizarre! And also, incredibly annoying!! lol! |
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Post by idolette on Mar 13, 2010 3:13:50 GMT -5
What is 'ohnotheydidn't' and which is the interview people keep pointing out? Does anyone have a link to either? It's probably an interview I've already got, but I'd like to know which one it is, all the same. It's a livejournal community that basically just posts and discusses celebrity gossip. The community is actually not that bad, I mean you get your crazies, sure, but they're everywhere. It's entertaining, if nothing else. It just seems to have a lot of people who dislike Emmy! And this is the video they refer to. |
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Post by eduquesne on Mar 14, 2010 4:20:17 GMT -5
I remember that interview from when it first came out (got it in my own collection). Ok - I just gotta say it, what the heck do they find wrong with that?? She's adorable in it! Gerry's cute and funny, she's poised, articulate, cute and funny. If this is what people point to when they give a reason to dislike her I'd hate to see the reaction if she did ever actually do something 'wrong'! Sheesh!!
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Post by idolette on Mar 14, 2010 19:35:12 GMT -5
I think they use certain parts of the interview, like when Gerry is joking about plastic surgery, and Emmy's like "that's not funny," or more specifically, when she's talking about singing for the role, and says it was hard, "moreso for Gerry than for me," or however it was worded, and take it as slightly arrogant, maybe even bitchy. But I think it's a case of, as lostgirl said above, Emmy was new to the business (relatively, anyway!) and wanted to come across in a good way, and sometimes that could seem a bit on the bitch side, maybe to some people. But I don't think that reflects, in any way, how she is now. Or even how she really was back then!
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Post by eduquesne on Mar 15, 2010 4:04:17 GMT -5
I think if someone can get that she's a 'bitch' from that, they're just looking for a reason to dislike her. I'm as broad-minded as they get and what Gerry said even made me go 'ouch, you shouldn't have said that, mate'! lol! He puts his foot into his mouth a lot, but that's one of the reasons why I love him. But back to Emmy - I get the impression that if she'd laughed hysterically at his joke they would have said she was insensitive to people with facial deformities! I don't think she can win! They're obviously just looking for a reason and they've jumped on that (which is ridiclous imo!). I mean, have they never got that she was speaking to somebody who had English as a second language and she might have been trying to be as clear and precise as possible for his sake??? |
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Post by idolette on Mar 15, 2010 11:53:21 GMT -5
I think if someone can get that she's a 'bitch' from that, they're just looking for a reason to dislike her. I'm as broad-minded as they get and what Gerry said even made me go 'ouch, you shouldn't have said that, mate'! lol! He puts his foot into his mouth a lot, but that's one of the reasons why I love him. Same here, haha! He sometimes takes a lot of flack for the things that he says, and a lot of times I find myself wincing and thinking "why did you say THAT of all things?" but it's just part of who he is - I think if we expected Gerry to be straight-laced and 100% suave, life would be boring. ;D But yes, also agree with you on the Emmy front. I do believe a lot of people are looking for reasons to dislike her, and some of that may come from just people disliking her. Like, say you're part of a huge community (I hate to keep using ontd as an example - it really is a fun place!) and you see that 75% of the users dislike Emmy. Chances are, you're going to find it easier to hop on the bandwagon than actually like the girl. It's a shame. If people would give her a chance, I think they'd find her very likable, even more so now compared to four or five years ago! |
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And while it may be a running gag, it doesn't do any good, because people will watch that video and take it as "well, Emmy's a bitch," and that's that. When someone asks about Emmy, and that's all that's given... it doesn't look good. And the sad thing is, as much of a joke as it is, I do think some people base their dislike on how she was back then, at a very young age when she was still coming into herself, as compared to how she is now. She's changed, I think. We all do, as we grow.