Nudity

[lostgirl]

I'm not posting a link because I'm not sure that's appropriate but a scene from the pilot leaked where Emmy is partially nude. I know some fans have strong feelings about that so I figured I'd start a topic.

As for my own opinion here it is:
1) The scene in question is actually a comical sex scene. It's not really objectifying per se.
2) It's not full nudity be any means. You see a breast for about a second.
3) She always said that's something she'd do if she felt like it was necessary www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2008/06/30/emmy_rossums_nude_rule/ She also spoke about it in a fan Q&A a while back (but I can't remember which one) but she basically said it she felt it was necessary for the role/project she'd be fine with it
4) Showtimes and HBO series frequently have some nudity (male and female).
5) She's an adult and is capable of making decisions about what she's comfortable with

[idolette]

I've seen the screencaps, but not the video. I tried to watch the video, admittedly. Curiosity killed the cat... but it wouldn't download right for me. Drats. It's hard to tell anything from the caps, since obviously the only ones anyone posts are the ones that make people go "omg, boobs!" You know? But I would very easily believe that it's a comical scene. I mean, there's popcorn in some of the pictures I've seen.

As far as how I feel about it, I'm kind of indifferent. It's not like they're candid nude shots of Emmy. They're from a role. And like you said, lostgirl, there are plenty of shows on Showtime and HBO that show male and female nudity. I'm not very surprised by it at all. Does it change my opinion on Emmy at all? Nah, not really. Did it surprise me when I saw the pictures? Sure, since you never really expect that when it pops up, haha. But at long as it's in context and something she's comfortable with, then I'm all for it.

[lostgirl]

Well in the video basically you see them making out and starting to have sex. They knock over just about everything in the kitchen (popcorn, dishes) and then she accidentally slams his hand in a drawer. He goes "Ow that hurts!" and she tells him to shut up. Then you hear someone at the door and they're both like "uh-oh" and that's it. In the video itself you see the breast for about a millisecond.

[idolette]

May 18, 2010 20:11:54 GMT -5 lostgirl said:

Well in the video basically you see them making out and starting to have sex. They knock over just about everything in the kitchen (popcorn, dishes) and then she accidentally slams his hand in a drawer. He goes "Ow that hurts!" and she tells him to shut up. Then you hear someone at the door and they're both like "uh-oh" and that's it. In the video itself you see the breast for about a millisecond.

I figured something like that happens. I can't view the video, but I can hear the sound, and there's definitely a lot of crashing noises. It's actually kind of humorous to listen to. But about them only showing the breast for a second, I'm not surprised - all the caps involving her "topless" scenes seemed to be really quick snaps. People just tend to focus on the juicy bits.

[kati]

I saw that that there was a post about it at ontd and kind of worried what the comments might say (given how much Emmy is disliked there), but most comments seemed to really... not care very much about her doing a nude scene. There was as good as no judgement on that. People mainly talked about Shameless as such and there was some fighting because of a few comments about the size of Emmy's areolas (I don't even..).

Well what I'm trying to say is that I myself really don't know how nudity is looked upon in general so much, but from those comments it seems to me that nudity is really no longer a taboo theme.

And if I think about it soo many actresses have shown their breasts, Kate Winslet, Anne Hathaway, Keira Knightley and they're all popular and successful. So I think nudity or at least nude scenes on tv have no longer the power or influence to really direct an actress's career. So I think in that direction we probably don't have to worry.

Personally I'm really not sure how I feel about it! It was ...a bit awkward. Not positive, not negative, just a bit awkward. I have to say to this that Emmy is the only actress I follow so closely, and I think that's why it feels strange and new to me. It definitely felt a bit different than seeing some random or even foreign person in a movie suddenly naked or so. But really, neither in a positive nor a negative way.

And to be honest I really don't think it will stir up that much.


Oh I just wanted to add that Emmy attended another event last night, an Instyle party I think, there are some pictures at getty.

[idolette]

LOL I totally know what you mean about some of the comments made about, uhm, parts of Emmy. I mean, really. Some people in that community are just crazy.

I can see what you mean about awkward, too, because I felt it a little. I think that comes from never seeing Emmy in a scene like that, and then bam, there she is. And you're halfway through watching it when you go "oh, wait, this is Emmy!" and it just feels so weird watching her on screen doing something like that. I was surprised when I saw it, but not really disgusted or repulsed or let down or anything, there's just that initial surprise at seeing someone naked on screen who you follow so closely.

I'll post a link in just a second to the pictures, Kati!

[actresssinger7]

I don't really care if she does nude scenes or not. She's an adult and is perfectly capable of making her own decisions. If she wasn't comfortable with doing it, she wouldn't have done it.

I'm fine with it. I mean, it's not like she, Emmy, has a sex tape going around the internet. As Lostgirl said, most shows on HBO & Showtime have nudity in them anyway, so it's not that big of a deal.

I think it's a bit awkward, though. It's like walking in on your best friend after they get out of the shower. It's not something you think about, and then, BAM!, you just happen to see more then you ever intended to. I'm not disgusted by it, just surprised, as this is something that's new to us. (as it is to her, I bet) I'm kind of hoping that this show will help her lose her "sweet and innocent Christine Daae" image that everyone associates her with. I was talking to someone the other day who said "I'm not comfortable with Emmy growing up... I don't even want to think about her having kids. I still see her as being 12" The fact is, she is grown up, and can make perfectly capable adult decisions. People just need to accept that and support her, no matter what.

Sorry, that got a bit off-topic towards the end. I can smell a debate coming on in the Emmy fandom. (not here, but elsewhere)

[idolette]

May 19, 2010 15:48:12 GMT -5 @caddie said:

Okay I just had to post this. I like to check out the site once in a while because some of the critics of Emmy make fair argumentation, or whatever.. For some reason I check it out though. Oh yeah, they tend to also comment on us too! And see what I just found! I just knew they'd have something to say about this!

community.livejournal.com/emmy_sucks/436822.html?thread=7514454#t7514454

So, here's to hoping knowing that we won't have a scream-fest. I think most of us are on the same page, or at least respect each other's views. Go us!

I saw that, too. I normally go check out the community because some of the people there actually are nice, and as an Emmy fan, I like to get all sides of any situation going around. I don't like to see how Emmy fans have gotten such a bad name, though, and I do think a lot of that came from how things were at ERF. There were just so many people with such different opinions that it made us all look like crazy loons because, let's face it, there were quite a few crazy, loony moments!

But what people don't seem to understand is we're not all at extremes. We're not pulling out our hair going "omg Christine Daae, you perfect, innocent girl, how could you!" because we accept the fact that Emmy's growing up and is doing other things with her career. But nor are we going "believe what we believe, and if you don't, go join people who hate her, we're all right and non-Emmy fans aren't, rawr!" Especially with the group we have now, we respect everyone's opinion, we get into formal discussions, we talk about anything and everything. We're not crazy. It does bother me, to some extent, that there are people out there who feel the need to put down people because they're fans of an actress that someone else doesn't like - and like I said, I know that comes from how crazy things were before.

But hey, people who don't like us. Here's an olive branch. Let's make peace. As you can see, no one here is having a meltdown, no one here is wonky crazy. We're just people who like an actress/singer who you happen to not like that much. We don't hate you, we hope you don't hate or judge us too harshly. We're friendly! We don't bite!

That really was long-winded, lol!

[mickey]

Hi Guys, long time no see.

To be honest, the first time I watched the video and looked at the pictures I had a extremely tough and awkward time watching it. It kinda felt awkward and a little bit strange watching Emmy in a scene like that. I know it's only acting and from what I've heard Showtime shows have a lot of raunchy scenes (I wouldn't know, we dont get many of them in Australia). But I am now okay with it.

Since seeing the video a good friend of mine and fellow Emmy fan (former now) has labeled Emmy a 'sellout' and called her a 'slut' upon seeing the video, I think he's referring to when Emmy proclaimed in a interview she would never do a nude scene and has since done so but I am not sure. I think it's a bit harsh to make judgments like that over just one 30 second scene in a film. But none the less, I think there will be many like him.

I actually think after watching it a few times, it was more intended as a goofy, funny scene than a serious sex scene. Though I can understand if some fans are turned off by it.

[tipsyannetow]

Whew.

Fortunately, we don't have that problem on here. *rolls eyes* You're right there, Idolette. Talk about major overreactions. Are they even necessary? Calling her a "shitty actress" because of this particular event? I would love to see some solid evidence. Totally turning on her because of this? B.S. Meh, to respect Emmy, this site, and our purpose on this site, I shall follow suit and refrain from verbal brawling. *pulls out an olive branch as well*

*laughs* I believe this was the first time we've ever seen Emmy do this sort of thing (correct me if I'm wrong, lol). I have to admit, I fidgeted slightly before bursting into bemused laughter. Any awkwardness I guess is attributed to 1) how alien this is to us and 2) probably the choreography and direction, if anything. Knowing Emmy, she would have tried to give it her best if she believed in its importance. I'm happy, knowing that- happy for her and her growing career.

I'll go silent now. Tipsytow needs to watch more before saying anything else! xD

[idolette]

May 19, 2010 22:27:15 GMT -5 mickey said:

Hi Guys, long time no see.

To be honest, the first time I watched the video and looked at the pictures I had a extremely tough and awkward time watching it. It kinda felt awkward and a little bit strange watching Emmy in a scene like that. I know it's only acting and from what I've heard Showtime shows have a lot of raunchy scenes (I wouldn't know, we dont get many of them in Australia). But I am now okay with it.

Since seeing the video a good friend of mine and fellow Emmy fan (former now) has labeled Emmy a 'sellout' and called her a 'slut' upon seeing the video, I think he's referring to when Emmy proclaimed in a interview she would never do a nude scene and has since done so but I am not sure. I think it's a bit harsh to make judgments like that over just one 30 second scene in a film. But none the less, I think there will be many like him.

I actually think after watching it a few times, it was more intended as a goofy, funny scene than a serious sex scene. Though I can understand if some fans are turned off by it.

Firstly, hey you! And welcome! ;D

I totally agree with what you said about it being more funny than serious. I mean, the drink falling, the popcorn spilling, the slamming of the hand into the dresser drawer, and then the "shit, shit, shit!" as someone knocks on the door? Very humorous.

[mickey]

Hey Idolette, how are you? It's great to be back.

Yeah, I completely agree, though it took me a while to really think about it, I had a real good laugh after it all. Anybody know what sites exactly that are posting bad stuff about Emmy and the video?

I think it's great to see Justin Chatwin and Emmy together again. Looking forward to seeing the series...if it ever hits Aussie shores.

[lostgirl]

May 19, 2010 22:27:15 GMT -5 mickey said:

Since seeing the video a good friend of mine and fellow Emmy fan (former now) has labeled Emmy a 'sellout' and called her a 'slut' upon seeing the video, I think he's referring to when Emmy proclaimed in a interview she would never do a nude scene and has since done so but I am not sure. I think it's a bit harsh to make judgments like that over just one 30 second scene in a film. But none the less, I think there will be many like him.

First of all; welcome!
Secondly several people seem to think she refused to do nudity at some point. That's not true though. In my original post I linked to an interview where she said the only thing she couldn't imagine doing was full frontal nudity.
She also said this in a 2006 Q&A: " I'm not jumping at the opportunity to take my clothes off. But it's not something I would NEVER do. It's not that I would be afraid to bare it all, because acting is quite emotionally baring and revealing. But it would have to be crucial to the script because I don't like tasteless or unnecessary nudity. " www.emmyweb.net/exclusiveinterview_mel2.php
So she has always been open to the idea. I think maybe people think she said she wouldn't because of their own perception of her. But perceptions change!

[yasmin]

I saw the video yesterday and to be honest I dont know what to think of it all. I felt extremely uneasy watching it. I am aware that she said she would possibly go nude for a film but I never expected it to be so soon. Over the past year or so I have began questioning my loyalty as a fan to Emmy. I've followed her since 'Genius' and I loved 'Phantom of the Opera'. The whole reason I followed her was because I admired her as a person, actress and her beauty. But since around 07' have seen changes in her I am not sure I like. No quality films, a dud album and a secret marriage. I felt a little betrayed she lied about her marriage to her fans. She is no longer the once sweet girl I admired but is dishonest and manipulating.

I also find it extremely weird that she is dating Adam Duritz so soon after her split from Justin. I thought she wasn't the type to sleep around but it looks like she is. I am sorry for my negative rant but I am just very confused on where I stand. I just dont know anymore.

[lostgirl]

I understand why some people who liked her as a child actress might be disappointed in her growing up. But that's going to happen regardless. I do think you might be unnecessarily hard on her since 2007 though. Do you say her album was a dud because you don't like it or because it didn't sell a million copies? I'm just curious because I think it's a good album. Not perfect, but strong. I also think Dare was a quality film featuring Emmy's best performance so far. She's also doing Shameless with I'm very hopeful about. Aside from the initial surprise of the video I think the scene is funny and it's got a strong cast and network behind it. So personally I do understand feeling surprised at it initally but I don't necessarily agree with the negativity about her career. I'm not criticizing you for feeling like that, don't get me wrong. I do understand your feelings. But I'm suggesting you try to take a slightly different perspective. Maybe you'll feel a little better?

As for her personal life, none of us have any real idea why she makes the decisions she does. I also think it's sort of off topic at the moment